Re: [-empyre-] the symbolic and the real

[Henry Warwick <henry.warwick@sbcglobal.net>]

The Voices in my Head tell me that on 10/7/03 9:55 PM, Alan Sondheim at
sondheim@panix.com wrote:

> Again I'd like to argue that there is no difference between vr and pr
> except for ontology -

forgive my opacity. I find this level of discussion incredibly interesting,
but not something I am always very good at. Especially after dealing with
this stupid election. I'd be more upset if I weren't so heavily sedated.


I would argue that there is no VR. There is just R. Any evidence for a (V) R
is in R, therefore there is no VR. R is just very "strange". (It has a set
of features and some of those features can't be known, and everything sits
in that space between known features and unknown features, with unknowable
features forming a kind of black box. The appearance, arrangement,
configuration and composition of these features are variable and complex,
the complexity permitting the emotive response of "strange")

Hence there is no "other world" : there is just this world. All evidence for
another world is in this world, therefore there is no other world. This
world is just very "strange" (Haldane)

Saul typed:

>can we truly imagine something that has no corresponding physical
>attributes in the material world  --

No, because of above. There is only the physical world. It's just a very
strange world. 

Therefore: there is no Enlightenment. There is nothing to enlighten. (Prima
Facie)

No Enlightenment : No Modernity (False consciousness of culture in time)

No Modernity : No Post Modernity (False Refutation of False Consciousness)

No PostModernity : The Permanent Contemporary :

The Permanent Contemporary : (Now) Forever. (The logical result)

Time? No: Barbour.

Reduction? No : Planck, Brown

Apply Copernicus to time.

No choice : only choice

one step forward : (Forever)

the Contemporary : Permanent

(The Real (symbolic))

(The Present (The past inside the future))

Sorry if that's too abstruse.

This is all very interesting.


HW